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Audience
response to our story posing the question of what stallion would suit Black
Caviar best has been overwhelming, so if you're interested in what people have
to say including respected pedigree expert Jane Henning read on.
Click here for the original story.
Of the commercial sires available in
Australia this year, Redoute's Choice looks to me the best option on pedigree
for Black Caviar.
Among its attributes, the mating creates inbreeding to Nijinsky II. In
Australia alone, this pattern which has been present in the pedigrees of 15 Group One winners including SEA SIREN,
VEANDERCROSS, HEART OF DREAMS, and DESERT SKY.In all there are 62 Group or Grade One winners inbred to Nijinsky II
worldwide. They also include stallions standing in Australia this year, MUSIR
(also by Redoute's Choice) and ZOFFANY.
On top of that, Redoute's Choice himself traces to the same taproot as Nijinsky
II (TORPENHOW), further reinforcing this prepotent line.
Another duo brought together in a Redoute's Choice - Black Caviar mating is
Canny Lad and Snippets. Redoute's
Choice's Group One winning sons Stratum and Snitzel both, like Black Caviar,
carry Snippets through their dams and of course Canny Lad through their
sire. This combination creates a sex
balanced duplication of the speedy Lunchtime, which may be why they work so
well together.
Redoute's Choice is capable of producing sprinters such as MISS FINLAND and
STRATUM and Classic types such as SAMANTHA MISS and MUSIR. His progeny's average winning distance is
around 1400m.
Both on type and on distance propensity, Redoute's Choice looks to be a very
compatible mate for Black Caviar. Jane
Henning, Pedigree Dynamics.
SO YOU THINKthis year. Back to England for FRANKEL next year. Good luck
!! Greg.
I would pick More Than Ready as the sire
of her first foal. Kerry
Makfi (Dubawi) ex Black Caviar (Bel Esprit). Rated the world's equal best
three-year-old & miler of 2010, Makfi was a dual Group 1 winner over a mile
from his six career starts in Europe. He won the Group 1 Two Thousand Guineas
over 1600m beating Dick Turpin (eventual dual Group 1 winner and now sire),
Canford Cliffs (5 x Group 1 winner and now sire), Xtension (eventual back-to-back
Hong Kong Gr.1 Champions Mile winner), and St Nicholas Abby (3 x Gr.1 winner).
In his fifth career start he reached a significant milestone when becoming the
only horse to defeat the great Goldikova, in her finest year, in the Group 1
Prix Jaques le Marios over 1600m. In her five-year-old year, Goldikova raced on
six occasions (all in Group 1 features) and won five of them – with her only
defeat coming against Makfi.
Makfi is the highest rated son by Dubawi who has been nothing short of a
sensation since retiring to stud having produced 45 individual stakes winners
with his oldest only five years of age.
There is no doubt Makfi's race credentials are of an international standard,
and having won between 1400m – 1600m I would say is compatible with the
distance range if mated with Black Caviar.
On type Makfi would suit her perfectly being a little bit shorter, and coupled
in length, limiting the prospect of throwing a 'big ugly boat' as quoted by
Tara. He is very attractive on the eye, with a great walk and temperament and
with his accelerating turn of foot illustrated throughout his career – I'd love
to think what quality of animal they could produce.
Lastly, pedigree (sparing you a novel on viable crosses) – Makfi is from the
Green Desert mare, Dhelaal, while Black Caviar is from the Desert Sun mare
Helsinge. The obvious duplication of Green Desert is highly attractive,
particularly with Dubawi's great strike rate cross with Green Desert mares (12
runners, 9 winners, 43 wins, 4 stakes winners).
Although based in New Zealand, Black Caviar is no stranger to travel and would
relish in the lush pastures of New Zealand. A return flight to New Zealand,
lower agistment rates and a service fee of $27,500 + GST would still see you
well under the advertised service fees (alone) of the high end stallions of
Fastnet Rock, Redoute's Choice & Encosta de lago - while still having
access mate two of the world's best racehorses, of their time and hemispheres
respectively.
Just a thought from outside the box – quite a way from the box. Nick.
I think that So You Think would be an
excellent match for Black Caviar...body wise and breed wise. I saw him win one
Cox Plate and he was electric and such a good type and thanks to Bart for
picking him out at Karaka and racing him into the horse he is now, with his
wonderful early education.
Couldn't be better. Helen.
The saying of put the best to the best and hope for the best, just look at our
famous mare Sunline, it just doesn't work most of the time.
I believe she should go to Stratum.
Black caviar is line bred to 2 daughters of Vain 3 x 4 and Crystal Lily by
Stratum was line bred 4x4 to 2 daughters of Vain
Therefore Stratum picks up on the Vain cross and Black Caviar is line-bred to
this cross, how could you go to anything else, as this is a proven cross.
If bred right the foal looks right so it might top the sale, but if bred wrong
who knows. Ken.
For mine it would be Stratum because of
the additional crosses of Vain, Nijinsky and Sir Ivor and the fact he has been
a Champion sire that gets plenty of winners. She could be like so many other
champion race mares that are so disappointing at stud so why spend more on
service fees at the very top end stallions if they intend to race the foals
themselves as they stated at Royal Ascot? At the end of the day with her
pedigree she can virtually go where they like. Peter.
My first choice for Black Caviar would be Casino Prince given the fact that
this has already worked with the family and would not cause concern in regards
to size given the more refined foals he produces as well as an affinity with
Nijinsky and Last Tycoon.
Pedigree wise I think the best stallions would be
1. Statue of
Liberty. Due to duplicating Crimson Saint as discussed and he has produced the
2nd fastest spinter in Australia in recent years.
2. Gio Ponti.
for the same duplication although the distances he won over may cause a
slight concern in wanting to have a quick winner for the first foal.
3. Dream
Ahead. Love the duplication of L'Anguissola over Green Desert and then the
reverse in Black Caviar's pedigree. This type of inbreeding has
produced a number of outstanding horses. They don't come much
faster or better performed than Dream Ahead and although not proven I believe
having a pedigree match for the mare is much more important than commercial
appeal in the long term.
How many great mares have been poorly mated in terms of pedigree due to
owners searching for the best sale outcome which in the end results in a
significant reduction to mare and future progeny.
Lot 110 in the
Inglis sale for August is a good example of matching the mare with the right
stallion. Visited Spinning World once (Best in Show duplication)
for one stakes winner and never went back to revisit another stallion with Best
in Show with ordinary results on other stallions. I have followed this
cross very closely and if we look at the mares that have produced stakes
winners to this cross there was a 71% stakes winners to runners and only 12%
when these same mares were matched with other stallions. I'm not saying that
the Rassmussen theory works all the time as many mares bred this way will never
produce a stakes winner no matter what, but if the mare is going produce
superior runners then the odds are certainly in your favour by ensuring she
visits the right stallion. Bernard.
Well the name fit. But would be a great
type with speeeeeeeed. I Am Invincible for Black Caviar. Brett.
How about Frankel or Curlin ? Carmen.
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